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Thursday, June 11, 2026

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05:36:49[twisti]NeXeN: that seems like a convoluted and confusing way to achieve ... the same thing *s do
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06:30:26jreicher[twisti]: one thing that isn't a waste of time is to randomise the number of asterisks that are printed with each keypress.
06:46:18[twisti]it seems like a better option would then be to not display them at all. *s are displayed to help people see if they made a mistake typing - if you take that away, which is reasonable, there is no reason to display them at all anymore, as they give no more information and additionally serve to confuse the user making them think they mistyped
06:54:49jreicherI think it's more important to see that a keypress happened at all. But I take your point. It's hard to balance useful feedback against compromising information. There's a natural tension.
07:03:27ParaRemember Lotus Notes which literally printed random amount of eqyptian hieroglyphics when passwords were being typed.
07:04:59Parahttps://blog.codinghorror.com/the-dramatic-password-reveal/
07:16:19jreicherYou had me at "Remember Lotus Notes"
07:17:24ParaRemember, remember, the 1-2-3 of Lotus.
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13:02:29dreamrealpersonally, I think there's no need to hide any of the characters in the passwords: when I type my password, which is obviously *******, I want to see the actual characters so I know it's right: it should be displaying hunter2 like God intended
13:33:03ParaI need to hide an April Fools' mode into my next app where the password mask shows hunter2 instead of ******
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14:30:50[twisti]how did you know my password???
14:31:04dreamrealhow did you know MY password!!!
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15:58:44sbalmosPassw0rd123!@
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16:05:25dreamrealI don't know why anyone would bother typing ************* in a channel
16:05:35dreamrealseems like a waste of time and bandwith
16:08:47sbalmosit's better than $@@FFA@#@@#%^@
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16:12:47dreamrealWhy'd you type ************** out
16:13:15sbalmosdreamreal: because MFA4IRC told me to
16:16:31sbalmosdreamreal: it's also saying you'll need 075184 as the 2FA code to use. Be quick though. It's only good for another 10 minutes.
16:17:01dreamreal075184
16:17:11dreamrealDid I make it on time? hey, cool, my bank just texted me
16:17:42dreamrealhmm, yes, bank manager, that really is a nigerian prince, he promised me
16:24:10sbalmosdreamreal: uhm, I'm not in Nigeria, I'm in South Africa
16:24:26sbalmosdreamreal: you twat, you just ruined it
16:24:35sbalmosdreamreal: where'd my money go?
16:24:49dreamrealNigeria! ... it'll come back. He promised.
16:25:52dreamrealAll I need to do is dial this long international number: it's only 27 digits long and has π and § in it, should be easy
16:26:04dreamrealI'm on attempt #12 to type it in, though
16:27:45sbalmosdreamreal: can't you get anything right? it's not §, it's 🌀
16:28:21dreamrealHe said it was §. Maybe it was a ∞ though
16:28:46dreamreal... and how did YOU know
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16:36:14dreamrealI should write a weechat plugin that matches all input against my passwords and actually does replace them with asterisks. That'd be a great idea, right?
16:36:37Parawhy not provide it as a cloud service
16:36:44Parawith AI
16:36:44dreamrealThat's a good idea too
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16:37:47Parahttps://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/cloud-to-butt-plus/cnonlogcinofngnafanjhbenljkpokcm
16:38:27cheeseryou could do a simple entropy check and mask out those. that's how github scans for secrets and essentially what do in our sensitive data scanner. there's more to it but that's the first pass that is good enough for irc.
16:38:54ParaI wonder what's the entropy of standard Finnish...
16:39:13dreamrealI don't need no entorpy. But I WILL write it in brainfsck...
16:40:07ParaOr tokenization (the actual kind, not LLM) - if the word doesn't tokenize properly, it's probably a password.
16:40:39ParaOr the cat trying to do the taxes again, and that is also something worth blocking.
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16:41:22dreamrealMaybe that's why my taxes were so high this year. I *knew* she couldn't spell, but now my cat can't do math, EITHER? Crikey, why do I even keep her around
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