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Thursday, June 18, 2026

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06:17:22BombeCasting for me always means that I fucked up the data model somewhere.
06:17:49Bombe(Exceptions apply for basic utility/library code, or interactions with other APIs.)
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06:33:07ParaBuilder hierarchies have an use for casting as well.
06:39:33jreicherBombe: it's not an explicit cast. As I said the return type of the method is non-covariant. That might be a nice way of "evidencing" that it's not a screw up, but an (unusual) way of expressing a constraint I want the compiler to check.
06:46:18ParaI document my intentional casts with Class#cast()
07:02:48jreicherInteresting. Not familiar with that syntax.
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10:07:21jreicherBombe: did you mean to write Class#cast()? I assumed it was a syntax I didn't know, but I can't find anything on that.
10:07:34jreicherSorry, Para ^
10:07:44Parayes
10:08:04ParaThat's how methods are generally referenced in javadocs and other such :P
10:08:15ParaClassname#methodname(Param1,Param2)
10:08:47Parahttps://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/25/docs/api/java.base/java/lang/Class.html#cast(java.lang.Object)
10:08:47nevetClass (Java SE 25 & JDK 25)
10:09:25ParaThat's also useful because it throws in place, so the wrong type doesn't go on an adventure through execution flow.
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10:21:33jreicherOh, that's what you mean. OK. But an upcast is not actually a cast in this sense.
10:21:37jreicherNothing is done at runtime.
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12:49:52dreamrealLore (https://lore.org/) looks interesting but the reference implementation using dynamo means NEVERRRRRRRR
12:49:52nevetLearn about Lore: next-generation open source version control
12:49:52javabotdreamreal's title: "Lore | Next-Generation Open Source Version Control - Lore"
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14:09:27nimaje(why do webdevs think everything has to be invisible and their html a huge mess?)
14:10:56ParaFor context, Lore is VCS for games. So excellent binary file, vendored dependencies, copyright/legally restricted parts of the whole with granular permission management etc.
14:42:02cheeseri think we're due for new vcs systems to vie for the crown.
14:58:45Paragit sucks for non-text so there's space
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15:08:29cheesergit isn't great for usability so there's space. :)
15:13:22ernimrilyou prefer sourcesafe? or subversion?
15:13:41cheeserbitkeeper for life!
15:14:44Paraemail!
15:15:36fizziePerchance Perforce.
15:15:40ernimril"oh, my quota is full, lets just send a large (several MB) to new zeeland, It will bounce in a few days..." :-) Sadly it does not work that way anymore
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23:02:34jreicherhttps://darcs.net/
23:02:39jreicherNever used it, but always wished I had
23:07:00NeXeNi once tried to make a version control system, and failed
23:13:15jreicherBy the time I started using version control, subversion was becoming popular, but I decided to start with RCS. I'm very glad I did because it showed me how hard the problem is to solve, and what a good (albeit incomplete) solution looks like. It was a very "clean" introduction to the space.
23:16:10NeXeNi used cvs then git
23:16:37NeXeNi wasn't on the bandwagon at any time, i sort of had to learn it because it was becoming the standard
23:18:17jreicherI'd be surprised if anyone with "taste" is on the bandwagon. Git is not perfect.
23:18:25jreicherI particularly hate the porcelaine.
23:18:34jreicherporcelain
23:19:59jreicherIf it weren't for the decent quality of the various frontends it probably wouldn't have taken off. Ironically it might be the scriptability of the command line that enabled them to emerge. I've never really checked the history.
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