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Saturday, June 20, 2026
- dreamrealdang it, I need co-authors.
- Paradreamreal: Co-authored-by: Claude
- dreamrealexcept that's not actually a valid co-author
- dreamrealthe LLMs acan be very useful in a lot of ways but they're not human and pretending otherwise is dumb
- ParaI jest. I've recently made my LLM agents emit those to commits, main identity still being myself.
- Para(I'm currently working on removing git access entirely from LLMs, needed it as stopgap solution)
- Yakovhow good/resource heavy java gui?
- ernimrilabout the same as any other gui
- ParaThanks to Electron the comparison goalpost took a trip to orbit so some could even consider it light at this point.
- Yakovif compare to Qt and C#?
- ParaQt is native (if you stay away from the HTML5 components) so it's impossible to beat, C# I have no idea at this point.
- dreamrealYakov: I'm not sure what you're asking, and the nature of teh UI is entirely relevant
- ernimrilYakov, how much comparison can you do? do you have the exact same program implements in both? As I said, about the same
- Yakovthats big! thank you folks
- ParaYou can use Qt from Java as well but this goes to It Depends territory; what are you trying to achieve?
- Pararef. https://www.qtjambi.io/
- nevetQtjambi Io [TLS certificate invalid]
- ernimrilYakov, I am one of a few here that have worked on big desktop apps for java, I have not seen any problem with it as such. Now, doing good UI is very hard, but it is the UI that is hard, not the platform you choose
- YakovJambi in Indonesia?
- Yakovwell, I want to make my own gui, starting from drawing dots in assembly, but for current task I want to switch from qt to java for some reason, it looks fine from a first glance, but I suspect it might not max efficient in comparison to some unknown yet vendor
- dreamrealYakov: "max efficiency" is a will-o-the-wisp
- Yakovhard to deploy, debug, resource heavy etc
- ernimrilyou do not want to draw pixels for a modern gui, you want hardware support... but sure go for vulcan if you want
- ParaWe're at "give datacenters all the drinking water" stage of max efficiency...
- dreamrealmake it work well enough. Java's fine; plenty of people go "Java sucks for UI" while using IntelliJ for their IDE, completely forgetting that IDEA is written in 100% Java for the UI
- ParaIs JavaFX vector based? Not that it really matters.
- YakovQt written with Java?
- dreamrealand Java can do images fine, too: you could write Minecraft in pure java now if you wanted to.
- YakovI mean its IDE
- Yakov23:50:36 <ernimril> you do not want to draw pixels for a modern gui, you want hardware support... but sure go for vulcan if you want
- ParaJetBrains has their own LAFs they've built over time. It's still just Swing, I think?
- dreamrealStill just Swing.
- Yakov^ i want to go deeper and do my own kind of vulcan
- dreamrealYakov: java can render pixels in the UI, you'd draw on a panel and let java render it
- ernimrilswing, but with some patches
- dreamrealjava2d is fine, so is javafx
- dreamrealbut if you're trying to create your own tree/rendering pipeline, you may want to consider why
- NeXeNPara: ya ...uh yeah it is
- NeXeNPara: but you might be confusing "vector based" with pixel pushing
- NeXeNjavafx uses uh whats it called like retained scene graph or whatever
- NeXeNthey're mathematically defined by their geometry not by pixel like pixel pushers
- NeXeNor sorry didn't mean to imply you were confused, what i meant to say is most people assume that about javafx's canvas