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Thursday, August 20, 2026

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04:26:49NeXeNyes, i just had a eureka moment!
04:27:30NeXeNstupid and as silly as it sounds, it actually works. a very complex thing i've been building from a vision for months (man maybe year and a half now) and it can make a boolean value upper or lower case, as designed!
04:27:53NeXeNman that's why i love coding, fsck them llms they make you lazy
04:30:06NeXeNsmall accomplishments give me energy
04:39:01jreicherUmm, huh?
04:39:56NeXeNworking on a gui app and just testing. doing simple stuff
04:40:13NeXeNbut you know, it's nice after putting a lot of effort into a thing, even a simple accomplishment makes things fun
05:01:28jreicherOh I absolutely know the feeling. It's one of the reasons I like using Emacs. Tiny tweaks have a big impact, and always feel simple in a way. But I'm curious what the thing is you're working on.
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05:07:55NeXeNoh, it's a library
05:08:41NeXeNlets you provision a pipeline. has a schema code generator (not an llm, think boilerplate reduction) and a gui that lets you essentially do some of the design work visually instead of with json or xml, though you could i guess
05:09:21NeXeNthe code schema is used to enforce type safety across the pipeline no matter the language. there will be a TS library so can pass via protobuf or classic serialization
05:10:26NeXeNbut to get to the point where i can simply drag and drop a thing and see that it's type safe and doing it's thing is kinda cool. i had doubts if i had the stamina to stay with a personal project
05:15:15deeboisn't protobuf typed already?
05:16:58NeXeNyeah that's why i wanna use it
05:17:54NeXeNi have become a fan, but it's not always straightforward you know....most people just serialize
05:19:10deeboprotobuf could be interesting to use instead of json over rest for internal data
05:19:18deebothink netflix does it like that
05:19:46NeXeNit's definitely more efficient. but i'm supporting jackson and gson as well just because
05:19:51deeboapis would have to be more explicit about errors etc as well which would be beneficial
05:20:18NeXeNyeah
05:20:45NeXeNi mean you know, i can build tools to inspect protobuf as easy as json. but i'm hoping to keep it at a lower layer where i don't ever have to think about it
05:22:25deeboour end user apps log all http traffic currently (even most bodies) for debugging etc, would be easier to filter protobuf too, http json has too many gotchas and "non-trivial" parsing to do that
05:22:51NeXeNoh yeah no joke!
05:22:56NeXeNhrmm you gave me an idea
05:23:13deebomaybe time to let claude prototype something :)
05:24:11NeXeNi have built a filter to filter out pii in logs, i bet it could be adapted to do a similar thing
05:25:30deebowe use zalandos logbook, it can easily do header and property filtering, like "password": "hunter2" -> "password": "xxx"
05:26:05NeXeNyeah. i dunno why you gotta log everything, but it sure is handy in a pinch
05:26:30deebobut what it couldn't do (well), was when given a massive blob of data, like {"id": 5, ... hundreds of nested props ... }, we couldn't just log: {"id":5}, since that's the only important bit
05:28:16deebowe use MDC with user session ids etc, so it's really easy to see what an user did that lead to an error, or check their claims of some problem that supposedly happened to them
05:28:50deeboRUM could achieve the same, IF everyone agreed to third party scripts etc, but they don't :)
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05:33:08NeXeNcouldn't you change from a full dump of the req/resp body just filter with something simple to parse the stream and just extract top level keys and full parse just for things i dunno diagnostic, like /id or /status and such and drop the rest, just keep what you need?
05:34:19NeXeNmaybe you could even populate the mdc at the gateway/filter layer with userId, sessionId, etc and the extracted entity's id?
05:34:48NeXeNthen you don't really need the raw request, i mean ...you know to figure out what they did
05:35:08NeXeNmaybe you got plenty of space. you know that's always a thing
05:36:22deebothat would mean reading the streams going in and out into a buffer, trying (and sometimes failing) to parse into json, filter via code and then output to logs
05:37:05NeXeNyeah, probably better to just rely on the route bindings instead
05:37:08deebowe tried it but it didn't really work, would probably be easier with protobuf
05:37:43NeXeNselective field extraction is cheap
05:39:43NeXeNi like protobuf. i'm trying to push it into my personal projects. you know it sucks doing that at work....using a new shiny toy just because
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12:51:38dreamrealI dunno why it's so inconsistent lately, I don't think anything's changed in the code
13:05:22jreicherI thought it was "consistent" in its behaviour of not reconnecting? Maybe the change is in external factors causing more frequent disconnections?
13:20:23dreamrealNo clue, not watching the logs
13:20:27dreamrealnot my server, not my bot :/
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13:36:59Paralibera servers don't allow immediate authentication either, so if the bot's too quick to authenticate, it can fail
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15:23:46hassoon'afternoon
15:23:54sbalmoswhat isn't "immediate authentication" about authenticating on connect with SASL?
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22:31:54jreicherPara: what do you mean? I'm still learning about how IRC works but I thought only nickserv auth mattered, and if the nick is still in use you can use REGAIN. (That's how I have my IRC client setup for when I have a network glitch; it reconnects ASAP)
22:53:39nimajeyou should use SASL auth with a client certificat if the irc network supports it, like libera does https://libera.chat/guides/certfp
22:53:39nevetLogin With a Certificate (CertFP)
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23:07:29NeXeNsome people don't use sasl, and you auth a moment later. i dunno i think the bot might have other troubles
23:07:49NeXeNbut also the network kicked my znc off, which hasn't happened before. like two days ago
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