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Wednesday, June 24, 2026
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- dreamreal*sigh* https://github.com/nubjs/nub
- nevetGitHub - nubjs/nub: The fast all-in-one Node.js toolkit
- bluedreamreal: wth is THAT?
- bluechovy_: wb
- bluedreamreal: did you know Europa is estimated to contain twice the liquid water than Earth's?
- bluethe solar system is pretty amazing, and we gotta start harvesting it
- bluedreamreal: can't say I understand what nub brings to the table
- dreamreal"It's bun except for node! hee hee!"
- dreamrealWell, harvesting offworld water isn't trivial, but if you wanted to do it, you wouldn't go to europa, you'd go to the oort cloud
- dreamrealthat way you wouldn't be fighting gravity as well as inertia
- dreamrealAGH no the Kuiper Belt not the Oort Cloud
- dreamreal... 30 AU vs 2000 AU, slight difference
- bluedreamreal: oh yeah, I was going to say the oort cloud is pretty far as it were
- bluewell, it's *all* far as space distances go, the oort cloud obv isn't particularly far compared with, alpha centauri, which is in itself *pretty damn close* compared to andromeda
- dreamrealyeah. Saw "Project Hail Mary" yesterday, incidentally
- blueYES. and you read the book, yes?
- bluebecause ryan gosling is a TERRIBLE prick
- dreamrealI saw the movie
- dreamrealHaven't read the book
- blueoh. in that, you don't have a good baseline at all
- blueyou must read the book -- the book is phenomental. the movie is a joke compared to it
- bluephenomenal*
- bluethey cast a german -- a GERMAN - as Eva Stratt
- blueI have no idea how andy, who was on the production team, allowed this, but it was a terrible decision
- dreamrealWhat was she in the book?
- bluethe whole point of Eva Stratt's character is that she's typically -- almost mockingly in her rigidity and being a pain in the frigging butt -- dutch
- bluegermans are NOTHING like dutch. germans are pansies; they avoid conflicts, they dislike disagreement and seek conformism about all
- bluea ww2 heritage, if you like
- blueanyway, Stratt is *markedly* dutch
- blues/about all/above all/
- bluetake for example the scene of her singing
- bluethat is a made-up scene, it was never in the book, and it's *very* ooc
- dreamrealWell, it was trying to create drama for the betrayal
- dreamrealshe's supposed to be human, not purely utilitarian
- blueyeah, but the betrayal was not the point in the book
- bluethe point was really, that grace realises in the end, he was a coward
- bluethe fact he was forced is inconsequential, it only props the realisation of his true nature
- bluehe's a great scientist, but he's also a coward who NEEDED to be forced, to bring out the best in him
- blueand that's something there's no universe in which happy-go-luck ryan gosling can bring to life in a character
- dreamrealmaybe. I honestly resented the start of the movie.
- blueI resented almost all of it, gosling was a terrible pick
- blueI can't think of a worse actor for the job
- blueI mean, I dislike him in just about every role he does, but at least in feel good flicks like la la land, he didn't feel *that* out of place
- blueeven in barbie, his base idiocy is just about *ok* for a ken
- bluethe only reason I watched PHM, despite seeing the trailer and knowing it was him, was that I like rocky's character too much to pass on on that
- dreamrealI don't know enough about him, don't really pay attention
- dreamrealkeep getting him confused with ryan reynolds
- blueheh
- blueanyway, I recommend that you write that book. heck, give me an address and I'll *buy* it for you
- blues/write/read/
- bluebecause gifting someone this book is 100% a way to spread MORE light into the world!
- dreamrealI already own it, just have not read it yet
- dreamrealbut having seen the movie I want to write my own
- blueha
- dreamrealexcept I'm going to have first contact be realistic and a conflict of ontologies so everyone dies because nobody knows what the other person even IS, much less how they fit into their own society
- bluewell, it was definitely a disappointment compared to the martian
- dreamreal"I am a SCIENTIST" *by defining yourself you cast yourself as an opposition from what is, definitions are aggressive, firing photon torpedoes now*
- blueha
- bluethe thing I don't like about most first contacts in scifi, is that they're depicted from a very human perspective. by which I mean, they're *very* transactional, by which the alien species is also assumed to be transactional, which there's no universal reason it should be
- bluewar/conflict would also be filed under transactional
- bluefor example, a first contact could well be, that the aliens *completely* ignore us. because reasons. we could be ants to them; this wouldn't be *their* first contact
- dreamrealyeah, that's exactly it: our stories HAVE to use our ontology
- blueyes
- blueso the reality of the matter would not be that they have nothing to gain or lose from us, it would be that we're irrelevant on their level of existence
- bluewhich could be seen as the same, I suppose, but I'm using a human language to express an alien idea
- bluewhich I can't do properly, obv
- dreamrealWell, the problem prevents its own solution, sure
- dreamreala few authors have done well expressing alien epistemology from human perspectives, but not many
- blueit's probably hard, I imagine
- dreamrealGiven that the authors are human, yeah
- bluebut if we were an alien species which can startravel, if not galaxytravel, I don't know that the human race at its current development stage would be of much relevance to them
- bluegiven the *insane* level of tech progress you'd need to reasonably startravel
- blueeither you've broken physics, or you can live essentially forever
- blueboth of which are almost equally improbably
- blueimprobable*
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